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	Tell us about the work you do in the Middle East. 
	I have been assigned as the United Methodist liaison to Jerusalem for the 
	General Board of Global Ministries since 1996. Primarily my job assignment 
	is justice education, contextual education. One of the main components of 
	that has been to try to get tourists who come to the land that we call holy 
	to not treat it like a museum or just as the place that Jesus walked, in the 
	past tense, but to recognize that Jesus might still walk here today and that 
	one can encounter the living Christ here in the people and the places and in 
	the pain and struggle. It is important for us as Christians in the world to 
	engage the contemporary context, to become more informed and have a more 
	nearly complete picture of the reality in this place. That has been a main 
	portion of my work. That work is done in cooperation with the Presbyterian 
	Church (USA) and with Catholic Relief Services. 
	I am also currently assigned to the International Center, which is an 
	outreach ministry of the Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem and is where 
	I spend most of my time. The International Center has a variety of programs 
	in art and music and dance and cultural history. One of the pieces I am 
	working on is the international intercultural exchange program, developing 
	programs for seminarians to come from around the world to do joint studies 
	together as well as with local Palestinians. We are also developing a 
	similar program for clergy and lay people and trying also to create some 
	sabbatical space, where people can do a sabbatical study in Bethlehem and in 
	the Holy Land. This program would include some work in the arts and theology 
	as a part of their time of service and renewal. I also help with the 
	pastoral work at the Evangelical Lutheran Church, when the pastor requests. 
	Here in the United States we are quite a bit removed from the reality you 
	are living in. Please give us some idea what conditions are like. 
	The entire city of Bethlehem, including Bayt Sahur and Bayt Jala, as well as 
	a number of other Palestinian cities, is currently under complete curfew, 
	which means that no one is allowed out on the street. The curfew in 
	different parts of the city is lifted for two or three hours about every 
	four days for people to shop at nearby stores, if they have money still to 
	get food. I could probably try to go home, but our offices at the Lutheran 
	Church are completely inaccessible right now because they are in the section 
	of Bethlehem in the Old City and have themselves been heavily damaged. The 
	situation is very desperate at this point. A large number of Israelis have 
	died over the last three weeks in a variety of suicide attacks, creating a 
	great deal of pain and fear within the Israeli society. This is also true in 
	the Palestinian society, since over the last seven weeks, with the exception 
	of one week, Israeli tanks, helicopters, and F-16 jets have been heavily 
	engaged across all of the Palestinian cities and territories. Beside the 
	large amount of damage to the infrastructure -- with trees and water lines 
	and houses and shops being damaged or destroyed -- we also have the 
	psychological trauma of almost two million people basically being locked in 
	their houses for three weeks, not being able to sleep because of the ongoing 
	presence of the tanks rolling around and causing noise. So there is a very 
	tense and very dangerous situation currently. 
	Many Christians are torn between a desire to support Israel and a feeling 
	that Israel is not dealing justly with the Palestinians. How can we sort out 
	those conflicting feelings? 
	The theology of land is a very complicated piece in this context. Any 
	equating of the biblical Israel to the current nation-state of Israel is 
	very dangerous. You've raised a point that is very critical. For those who 
	accept a strictly literal interpretation with regard to Old Testament 
	promises of land to the Jewish people -- I always try to remind them that if 
	you work primarily out of that, then you need to go past Joshua and not just 
	look at the story of the conquest of the land, but also to refer to books 
	such as Isaiah and Jeremiah and Ezekiel. The prophets have something to say 
	about how one lives in the land. It's not a gift that is given to do 
	with as we wish. The prophets understood the covenant as a promise of 
	stewardship, and in that context of stewardship of the land they condemned 
	the misuse of the land. One can find in the prophets issues of justice, 
	issues of mercy, issues of how one treats "aliens" in the land. Those 
	scriptures have an essential critique of the use of land and the way in 
	which the current state of Israel is dealing with the Palestinian 
	inhabitants. 
	Another issue, and something that many of the rabbis who work in areas of 
	human rights in Israel lift up, is that land can become an idol. Eric Ashman 
	in particular, who is currently the head of Rabbis for Human Rights, states 
	that if land becomes an idol that we worship more than human life and human 
	compassion, then we violate the covenant and we stand at risk of losing the 
	blessing. 
	One has to look at the broader context here and see that, until pretty late 
	in the century, religious Judaism did not regard the formation of the state 
	of Israel as something that was biblical. In fact, for a long time in 
	orthodoxy it was considered, and there is still a group today that believes, 
	that Jews have a right to come to the land of Israel, but the state of 
	Israel is something only the Messiah can create. So even within Judaism 
	there is a split, although since the 1967 war that split has been narrowed. 
	In the 1967 war, Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip; but of course, 
	for Judaism, the West Bank is biblical Judea and Samaria, so that's partly 
	why there is such a struggle. The vast majority of what is the current state 
	of Israel was not biblical Israel. 
	What can people of faith do to support a just peace in Israel and the 
	occupied territories? 
	To find a way to negotiate in such a bitterly contested conflict, as people 
	of faith, I think we have to use our sense of common humanity and seek to 
	recognize the common elements of human suffering that exist in both 
	communities. The only real tool we have is the negotiated international law, 
	which is recognized internationally. That's the closest we can get to 
	impartiality. Many in the Jewish Israeli community recognize that the best 
	thing that can be done is to consider creating a Palestinian state on the 
	West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and that Jerusalem be shared as a capital. 
	That way both Israelis and Palestinians can have access to the holy sights, 
	of course; but there will also be a shared sovereignty of the city. There 
	must be some sort of a just solution found for the overwhelming numbers of 
	Palestinian refugees. There has to be some way of to deal with this, the 
	largest refugee population in the world, that is fair and equitable to them. 
	Finally, we have to find a way to negotiate the issues of sharing resources, 
	particularly water, which is the one that is most critical. 
	I think it's important that we not be afraid of engaging our Jewish brothers 
	and sisters, as well as our Muslim brothers and sisters, in conversations 
	about this place. I know it's very hard, given the historic reality of the 
	horrors of Jewish suffering, not just in the twentieth century but 
	throughout many centuries. The whole issue of engaging in discussion about 
	Israeli state policy is very hard for many Christians because they don't 
	want to be misunderstood and don't want to be seen as anti-Semitic. But it's 
	vital for us to begin to engage stories, not only that we listen to what our 
	Jewish bothers and sisters feel and think about the situation but also to be 
	able to share with them what our Palestinian brothers and sisters are 
	experiencing, what they are feeling and thinking as Muslims and Christians 
	who live in both in Israeli and Palestinian societies, their sense of what 
	leads to a just solution. For a long time this has been an area that we have 
	been unwilling or afraid to engage in, because we didn't want to hurt people, 
	didn't want to ask sensitive questions. But I think as Christian-Jewish 
	dialogue matures this is a topic that we cannot ignore. For the health of 
	our relationship we need to discuss it, so we can be clear that, when people 
	say things against Israeli policy that are anti-Semitic, we criticize it and 
	say it's not acceptable. There has to be a differentiation so that we can 
	mutually work at trying to stop anti-Semitism and also trying to stop human 
	rights violations by a nation state, to hold it accountable to the same 
	rules that we hold all nations to. That's another important piece to include. 
	There is a growing recognition, even among Israelis, that the source of all 
	the violence we are seeing currently is really the Israeli occupation of the 
	West Bank and Gaza Strip and the Jewish-only settlements that have been 
	established there. The only way to move out of the cycles of violence is to 
	end the occupation. 
	How do you, in the current situation, see God at work? 
	Sometimes we just have to say, "Lord, where are you?" If you look at the 
	overarching context, it can be easy to lose sight of any holiness, of the 
	presence of God, of the presence of anything that has a divine spark in it. 
	And yet, it's in the hearts of the people who are living through so much 
	suffering that I find it most tangible that God has not given up on us and 
	we have not given up on God. An example is the agencies that now are working, 
	particularly the international and local church communities who are working 
	at supplying food, water, medicine, and the basic resources of sustenance to 
	the millions of Palestinians who don't have anything and whose livelihood 
	has been taken away, who have had no access to food and water. 
	Within the Israeli society, I see a sign of God's presence in the reaction 
	of some of the reserve soldiers. There have been a number of Israeli 
	reservists who have been happy to serve their duty in the Israelis Army, 
	which they are required to do every year. But they are now no longer willing 
	to serve inside the occupied territories. They see the occupation as the 
	root of all of the violence, whether it's Israeli or Palestinian initiated, 
	and they feel that if they are to continue serving as an occupation force 
	that they not only do not bring security to their people, but they also 
	increase the insecurity and increase the risk to Israelis. That is a very 
	tangible sign of people who are wrestling with really trying to get to the 
	root cause of violence. 
	On the Palestinian side, I see people who in spite of having no jobs, no 
	schools, whose church buildings are attacked, who have lost their homes, but 
	are still able to say that what we want is peaceful reality for our children 
	and for Israeli children. These people still believe that Palestinians and 
	Israelis could still live side-by-side in security with each other and are 
	willing to still work for that, even in the midst of literally everything 
	about them being in shambles. There is a very powerful story about a man and 
	his family in Bayt Sahur, the traditional site where the shepherds received 
	the first message of the good news of the birth of Christ. This man's name 
	happens to be Joseph and he happens to be a carpenter. His house was one of 
	the first to be completely destroyed by the constant shelling of tanks. He 
	was at a camp on the eastern edge of the Bayt Sahur and I had a group 
	visiting there. It's been about a year, and the house was just in shambles 
	at that point. He said, "We look at those soldiers there and we were 
	neighbors, so I have to ask: Why did they have to do this to my house? They 
	know me. They know my children. But they are still my neighbors, and I still 
	want to live with them as neighbors and to live in peace with their children. 
	I don't want my children to learn to hate." It was very powerful that, in 
	the middle of the rubble, he could still talk about those who had destroyed 
	his home as his neighbors and not his enemies. It is those kinds of stories 
	and encounters, whether with Israelis or Palestinians, that we see God's 
	presence breaking through in spite of all the human ways with which we try 
	to close God out. |